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Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:31:00 -
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Blobbing has been and always will be a thing in eve so at the end of the day, all we can do as individuals is deal with it.
What is not under our control is the implementation of new content. I have heard lots of fantastic suggestions for ways in which ccp could improve wormhole space (roaming sleeper, C7 wormholes, multiple statics in some c4-c6, more attackable structure, ect.) but CCP do nothing. All they do is fix things that should have been that way from the start (e.g. changing subsystems at a pos).
Now CCP are talking about adding new space so if you are 100% happy with wormhole space, you are in luck because you can bet your ass wormholes are going to be ignored from now on anyway. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:49:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote: If PvP entities even individually decided, "Hey, we're not blobbing everyone to death anymore" and figured out ways that worked for them to implement that, well, it might be slow to change their reputation, but eventually word will get out, "Hey, these guys just want a fight, not to pad their killboard," and smaller groups would engage. We wouldn't see wormhole empires arise, become powerful, revered, and respected only to have them have to leave wormhole space. Each time it happens, we loose a little of our collective soul as a people.... It is sad.
Consider, would you rather be able to roll into many holes and get small skirmishes and be able to show your self openly saying, "Fight at x planet and x moon" and people actually show up, or would you rather every single person hide when they see your corp? I'd rather be known to be honorable and have people willing to engage me, even if it means splitting up my fleets and having them roam different parts of space, possibly loosing a few fights I'd otherwise win.
I understand where you are coming from but you have to understand that people will naturally want to be the biggest and most powerful because it's their nature. We could all agree to not have an active member base over 50 and only ever fight with equal numbers but that isn't realistic. You can't turn round to someone in your corp/alliance and say "you are going to have to sit this one out because we only like "fair" fights. If PVP was just me jumping into a system and saying "5v5 at the sun guyz?" i would quit the game.
Part of the reason we formed a new alliance has to get away from the bad image of you old so again, i understand where you are coming from. We try to avoid the wormhole politics and the coalition style invasions and we don't blob people willing to fight and i think we are better for it.
I think the notion of fair arranged fights is a bad thing and shows how stale wormhole PVP has become (in c5/c6 mainly). Sure the player share some responsibility but IMO, CCPs lack of action plays a bigger part so i'll keep being one of the people screaming for improvements.
@ Jack, it's late here so forgive me but i didn't read through the entire 2 page post but i thought i got the gist... i'll try again tomorrow. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.08 09:06:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Blobbing has been and always will be a thing in eve so at the end of the day, all we can do as individuals is deal with it.
What is not under our control is the implementation of new content. I have heard lots of fantastic suggestions for ways in which ccp could improve wormhole space (roaming sleeper, C7 wormholes, multiple statics in some c4-c6, more attackable structure, ect.) but CCP do nothing. All they do is fix things that should have been that way from the start (e.g. changing subsystems at a pos).
Now CCP are talking about adding new space so if you are 100% happy with wormhole space, you are in luck because you can bet your ass wormholes are going to be ignored from now on anyway. You know Rek, if there was an award for missing the point, you'd have to buy a bigger house just so that you can fit all your awards in your spare rooms.
Brilliant smart-arsed and pointless comment as always Jack. Perhaps, for once, you could be constructive and tell me what point you think i missed.
The OP states that this thread is a result of people asking for more conflict drivers. I am one of those people so i felt i should share my opinion.
If you believe the OP is right and we should all arrange fights and keep our numbers to a minimum, then you fail to understand basic wormhole PVP and human nature... And if you think the answer to more fights is for people not to blob the upstart corps in the vein hope that they will one day grow to be a competitor, you're deluded. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:21:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:If you believe the OP is right and we should all arrange fights and keep our numbers to a minimum, then you fail to understand basic wormhole PVP and human nature... And if you think the answer to more fights is for people not to blob the upstart corps in the vein hope that they will one day grow to be a competitor, you're deluded. let me try spell it out one last time. it isnt about arranged fights or keeping numbers small or anything game related. It's about mentality and attitude. you, and others, keep saying there's no conflict in WHs, no reason to fight. well, youre wrong. i can't make is any clearer for you. youre wrong, because people like me and the op and others keep telling you that there are conflict drivers, that there are reasons to fight and that WHs are just fine the way they are. if you dont have any drive to pvp in WHs then why are you living in WHs? and i'm being serious with this question. why live in space you dont like and clearly dont enjoy being in? If i hated WHs as much as you clearly do I would have moved out years ago and gone done something else. i think you really need to consider if you want to be here. if not, that's fine. wspace is definitely NOT for everyone, im not saying it is, but it provides a very unique gaming environment that you seem very eager to make closer to kspace. people like you saying there's no reason to do anything in Whs or people like herrbert saying scanning is boring and that WHs should be anoms doesnt help wspace at all. the best case scenario is people just ignore you, the worst is that CCP listen to you and ruin Whs for those of us who actually like them. PS: hoping that smaller corps one day 'grow up to be a competitor' is exactly the wrong attitude im talking about. Ive met many really good small corps and likewise many really awful large corps. size has very little to do with quality and in WHs space, size past a certain point only adds chaff.
I have been trying to hold judgement but that post pretty much confirmed to me that you are stupid. Saying "you're wrong because we have different play-styles and i don't agree with yours" is not an argument and you should save your time and mine and just not reply to my posts.
Most of what i see on your corps killboard are people being ganked in a C2 and that's fine. I lived in a C2 as part of a smaller corp and it was far more entertaining than living in a C5/C6. To me that would indicate that there is a problem with C5/C6 wormholes... And if you disagree, why did you home to a system with a low class static?
For your information, i live in wormhole space because it used to feel like the least broken region in the game but now i've seen and done everything and i'm bored. Why is are you so against improvements to wormhole space or more reasons to fight?
The best case scenario is you STFU and continue playing the game the way you do and CCP start to add more content to wormholes. The worst case scenarios is that CCP listen to people like you who say wormhole are 100% perfect and fail to iterate on wormholes for so long that it ends up becoming like the old low sec wastelands. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:47:00 -
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Yeah to me it sounded like Jack read a post where i said "CCP should throw existing WH mechanics in the trash and start over", when what i was actually saying is CCP should add new things to wormholes and maybe something that the large alliance can fight over (i.e. end-game content)  +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:52:00 -
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Cheesy Feet wrote:Rek Seven wrote:The best case scenario is you STFU and continue playing the game the way you do and CCP start to add more content to wormholes. The worst case scenarios is that CCP listen to people like you who say wormhole are 100% perfect and fail to iterate on wormholes for so long that it ends up becoming like the old low sec wastelands.
I'm guessing that you will just ignore my real questions and proceed to tell me why i, and people who share my opinion, are wrong. Do you really have no doubts that CCP won't mess up if they make changes or add new content to WH's? What we have in WH's now is more by luck than judgement on CCP's part - it was only intended as a place for exploration, it is the player base that made WH's a new way of life - that was never forseen by CCP. Depends whether you're a cup half full or half empty kind of guy, but I'd rather keep what we have now, than gamble that CCP would add any meaningful new content without messing something else up whilst doing so.
That i a completely fair point and if i'm honest, no, i don't have that faith in CCP.
However, i believe the are things CCP could do to make wormholes feel more alive and exciting but that's for another thread.
Where wormholes are concerned, i'm definitely a "glass half full" guy and i would like CCP to fill me wormhole class to the top.  +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:37:00 -
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Winthorp wrote: So you couldn't beat his argument and went KB trolling tsk tsk whats next insult his mom jokes?
lol what argument? He didn't have one.
I looked at his killboard to try and gauge is current pvp experiences to see where he was coming from. All i saw was ganks which is fine but as i've explained to him in the past, not everyone is content with killing ratting drakes and taking part in arranged fights. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.09 12:28:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote: If you don't like being blobbed by 30 T3s with 40 Guardians and caps, then stay out of wh space that has 3bil holes and large groups. Move to c2 space where you get fights on a smaller scale that can be just as fun. Contrary to what a handful of idiots say in deep wh space, low class wormholes are a blast.
Spot on! Either grow to compete or more to a region that has a weaker opponent. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.14 10:16:00 -
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I know this thread isn't intended to discuss wormhole conflict drivers but here's an example that wouldn't involve the possibility of CCP messing the existing mechanics up.
C7 Wormholes
* Only accessible through C6 wormholes * Create an incentive for people to move to C6 space * Creates a reason for people to fight over wormhole systems * Introduces new content and gameplay to wormhole space
It's just an example of something CCP could do that doesn't doesn't cause people to instantly spit their dummy out whenever they hear the term, conflict driver...
So maybe we can all get over ourselves now and start to discuss things like rational grown ups now? ... No?!  +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.14 11:13:00 -
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Just look at what is happening in wormhole space now...
We have Chitsa creating a coalition to go and shoot stuff in Null sec and the Red coats (i think it's them) actively removing corps from C6 space, who don't play the way they want them to, and replacing them with their associates.
Now i may be wrong, but i don't think more coalitions and friendly inter-corp/alliance relationships is the way to create a vibrant and consequential PVP atmosphere in W-space.
... Oh and Jack, shut up already! Nobody cares what you think. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.14 11:29:00 -
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:18:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Rek Seven wrote:We have Chitsa creating a coalition to go and shoot stuff in Null sec You were literally on the last roam with us..? If Chitsa's fun roams are killing wormhole space, and you sincerely feel it is detrimental, why the f*** are you joining his roams? Rek Seven wrote:Red coats (i think it's them) actively removing corps from C6 space, who don't play the way they want them to, and replacing them with their associates. lol, what? FYI - You say we are evicting people that don't play our way, and you come on the forums to advocate CCP change the game because people aren't playing the game your way. Who is at risk of being more damaging to the community?
Sorry, i honestly meant to add this but forgot...
What you guys are doing is fine and i wish you the best of luck and i hope both approaches (especially yours) improves wormhole space.
However, i believe that we would see better results if CCP did something like i described above. Would you not agree?
I meant no offence and should have expressed my opinion better Proclus Diadochu. I wanted to see what Chitsas roam would be like and even though it is an admirable concept, i have no interest in taking part in anymore tidi battles. And if i'm honest, i don't see how going out into w-space does anything for W-space. +1 |

Rek Seven
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:31:00 -
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Yeah i do share the opinion that wormholes are mostly fine, i just feel they lack endgame content. Maybe your project will create that and if so, you may see us return to C6 space in the future 
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